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NICK please !!!! Please let Andrew answer the suggestions.....there is no debate here. Step off your Couples Dating cop box and just sit back and let the CEO use this Blog for what it was intended for. Unless..... you think you are and can do a BETTER JOB. I was giving support to one of their ideas, while I disagreed with the second suggestion made by them; in addition, it seems the member also was offended by the suggestion by the way they posted in response to other members with out naming them with use of insults and profanity when mention of "Spam" postings in Groups was brought up by another member and the reasons behind "Spam" postings being made in certain Groups. I merely gave an opinion with ideas and suggestions on concerns to "Spam" postings and did not insult any member that uses or allows "Spam" posting being done. I was not "Debating" with this member idea that I disagreed with, and I gave an explanation of my disagreement on that suggestion for it to be known to Andrew ( CEO ) in regards to that suggestion of deleting "Old" members profiles and in concern to members that go inactive on the site for a few months for various reasons and many do return. This Blog here of the CEO with my interpretation and understanding is for members to voice out their opinions, suggestions on ideas for improvements for the Blog Sections and Groups with discussions and for Andrew ( CEO ) to hear (read) the feedback by the members of the areas of concerns to those suggestions and ideas through the members discussions. What I offer here is my Experience and Knowledge as a Moderator (I stepped down temporarily as Moderator of my primary Group "The Likeminded Ones" that I created Feb. 2005 to offer ideas, suggestions, opinions on improvements) and as a Member of several Groups over a years time, the same like so many others are here for; in addition, I offer my programming knowledge as well in concerns to improvements of these areas in hopes that it can help and be of benefit to the majority of members enjoyment of these areas and to also being of benefit for the Staff and CEO as well. Nick
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4/2/2006 1:26 pm |
hello im BROC817 and i moderate OHIO'S most active group Looking For Friendships!!! and man you got your damn hands full here MR. luvpump !!! the permenant banning of undesirable members would be great.... but also lets start with maybe letting us use html that have u-r-l-'s / h-t-t-p-: attached....that way we could use grafics and video players and maybe have personalized slide shows....the more things are personel the more time people will want to spend on your site....alot of these moderators are very serious with there groups and would like our online friends / family to have a very good time here.... well thanks for the space to let opinions and ideas be heard !!!
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4/2/2006 1:59 pm |
simple solutions to the most active / spam problem could be {list more then just the top 15 groups....maybe list a few rows og group names....i like to think my group earned its free advertisement in the most active list....we never had a spam thread....but every group is different and thats why there unique....but also my group shouldnt be knocked off that list for a few thousand / two or three word post..... and as far as the h-t-t-p-: and u-r-l-'s i was speaking of in my earlier post : theres realy no use if we can use the outside of a post....example would be let us use them in our group desrictions....every group should be just as unique as the members in them.... i need not mention any sites name but im on one where i run a group and hearts fall from the top of the page....and its from using a marquee code and its got u-r-l and html tags.....every group on that site look so different.... i guess my groups real real question is , are these options going to ever be allowed on this site ??? just a simple " yes or no " is needed !!! the answer will determine if i continue to run OHIO'S most active group and if most of these members want to tolerate the blandness of the groups section....thank you again for your time !!!
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I think it would be great for the moderators to see who has been checking out the groups(the way you can see who has been checking out blogs). That way moderators know if the "inactive" members check out the group once in awhile even though they don't post. FINE AS WINE IN 2009! SWSunset64
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4/2/2006 3:42 pm |
All group have there own unique way their group runs. Members join that group based on it. How can some other mods. of a different group say HOW and WHAT another group should do or not do. If you don't like how another group or it members are enjoying them selves in their own group...so fucking what. Don't read it! To each there own... last time I looked freedom of speech way still on the Constitution. In closing to all those Mods. that like to bitch and moan about what the OTHER groups and the members in them are doing .........Maybe if you spent more time on your own group you would have LESS to bitch about others....grow up! Sorry To the CEO and the 'team' that is working on the groups we really appreciate you...but Lots of us paying members are so sick and tired of the 'serious moderators' group thinking they run this site and are the Couples Dating cops. Gezzzzz one would think they where on your payroll or something LMAO
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4/2/2006 5:51 pm |
I have a simple request. Can we make the View All page go back to the way that it was, so that when a new thread was submitted, it was at the top of the View All page, and everyone could know that there was something new, and it could deserve the attention that it deserved. As is now, the top item on the View All page is that which was the most recently updated. This is not fair to the new threads, which may not yet have received any postings, and, if there is enough activity in the other threads, that new thread could never be found. Thank you for listening.
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Hi SSL, no surprise to me sweetie  Yes you make a very valid point, but I would like for you to understand mine and the other members too. It is not that we other Moderators and Members are totally against the "Spam" postings as we are concern to the "Quality" that is projected from the Groups to the members and new members of the site; Groups are a "Representation" of this site as it is one of the features offered (marketed and promoted) to the members and new members. What many of us are seeing is a decline in the Quality by way of Quantity with the "Spam" postings used by some members and moderators for "selfish" reasons that revolve around a "competition" that should not be allowed that can/will and has caused conflicts amongst Members and Groups. If this mathematical system is not changed in some way the Groups will eventually be of no positive "Representation" of this site to the members and new members. You will have nothing more than a bunch of Groups and Members of Groups battling it out with "Spam" postings to being listed as #1 and furthermore will produce abusive behavior towards members and other groups. "Nip it in the bud" before it happens, because it is destined of happening (I personally give it 6 months) if something is not done; consequently, the Abuse Team Staff will be the ones to get all the backlashes from the complaints and reports of abusive behavior.. Now I took a look at the top 50 groups in the Active Group Listings and also looked at the amount of members of those groups. This is a break down of them by less that 100 members and greater. Groups with Less than 100 Members = 12, Groups Listed in the Top 15 Most Active Groups= 4. Groups with 100+ Members and Less than 1000 Members= 16, Groups Listed in Top 15 Most Active Groups= 5 Groups of 1000+ Members and Less than 10,000 Members= 16, Groups Listed in Top 15 Most Active Groups= 3 Groups of 10,000+ Members= 4, Groups Listed on the Top 15 Most Active Groups= 3 Looking at the total of postings in those groups compared to Posting numbers by averages this is how it comes out. Groups with less than 100 members= 185,305 Postings divided by number of groups in that bracket= 15,442 postings per group. Groups with greater than 100 members and less than 1000= 255,938 Postings divided by number of groups in that bracket= 15,996 posting per group Groups with greater than 1000 members and lesser than 10,000= 205,399 Postings divided by number of groups in that bracket= 12,837 posting per group Groups with greater than 10,000 members= 124,723 Postings divided by number of groups in that bracket= 31,181 Top 15 Most Active Groups that the Groups with less than 1000 members out number the Groups by almost 2 to 1 In the Top 50 listings the groups with less than 1000 members = 28 and Groups with more than 1000 members = 22. Again the smaller groups are out posting larger groups. Posting totals between groups lesser than 1000 = 441,243 and groups of 1000 plus Members = 330,122, and that is an over 110,000 posting difference. Every single calculations made here shows that the smaller groups outweigh the larger groups with total Postings. Now this table below go into further depth of the Top 15 Groups Listed, according to Approximate Creations of the Group, its Members, and Postings.
Now in my opinion and many other Moderator and Members of groups as well believe that "Quality" is far more important than "Quantity"; consequently, our opinions are based that Groups and all other forums are a "Representation" of the AdultFriendFinders site that is and should be used as marketing and promoting of the site to its members and newly joining members.
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4/3/2006 4:12 am |
Good day. As somebody who has been a member of and observer of many many groups, I consider myself qualified to make a few comments. There has been some very good suggestions in here. I dont have any objections to many of them. I really like the activity requirements tool that was recently given to moderators. I strongly suggest getting rid of the most active member and groups on the main group page. I dont care for the spamming, but at the same time, Texasmermaid has a good point. There are a few people on this site that are not happy unless they are flapping their face pushing their agenda. Nick puts down spamming, but at the same time, he had spamming threads in his group recently. He didnt call it spamming, but IT WAS SPAMMING and the people who participated in it were notorious for it on this site. Many of the local groups, with an active mod, in my opinion, are the best on the site. They may not have the amount of postings that these big groups have but people are meeting each other and that is what Couples Dating is about, not exchanging hot air. Steve
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4/3/2006 4:43 am |
I agree with Springs and SSL on this idea. Maybe like drinker56 suggested that Moderators could have control over a few threads that would stay on the main page? Babel
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4/3/2006 5:33 am |
I think that texasmermaid had a good idea with the adding a 'ban' button to the thread that the member either created or one's that the member reply to, with adding this feature a moderator would also have control over member(s) that 'joins' the group the group.... post a message and then click to 'un-join' the group so that the Moderator does not have a chance to ban them for an abusive post. Another thought that goes in line with Your1DreamLover's last comment about the groups being unbalanced, I think that it *might* be a good idea that if a group has over 500 or 1000 members (250 members would be even better) that the group is sorted into another listing... kind-of what was done in regards to the "Active Male Blogs"...... "I think there are 2 "types" of moderators - ones who want a tight, active group and ones who are free flowing. Both have good points." (quoting Andrew's reply) I do agree with you but with those '2 "types" of moderators' you also get 2 "types" of groups right? 2 different listings seems logical. On the group main page it seems that there is a bit or redundant information as well.. 1-Group location is linked on the page 4 times and there is the already "Get Local" link in the menu bar. 2-Topic is linked 3 times 3-Search is linked 2 times 4-Create a new group is linked 2 times If some of theses boxes were deleted then it would free up room on the page to have the separate listing that I made mention to in this comment. Another idea is having the 'slots' idea that is in the blogs also added into the group main page of the top 40 most active members, this would give a chance to other members to be noticed that ARE also active but not posting 2000-1800 posts in 30 days. I also believe that there should be a LIMIT to the amount of replies that one thread can receive, with a reply limit it would be difficult to keep 'spam' threads/groups alive... I personally think that a limit of 100 replies would be a good choice. I really like the new feature that you added to the groups and we have already implemented it in the group--The Likeminded Ones! We moderators would like to thank you for turning your attention to the groups and listening to our feedback in your blog, I know that it can be overwhelming to receive so much feedback but I personally find it refreshing that the CEO of this site is listening to it's members. Thanks again Andrew! Babel
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Good day. As somebody who has been a member of and observer of many many groups, I consider myself qualified to make a few comments. There has been some very good suggestions in here. I dont have any objections to many of them. I really like the activity requirements tool that was recently given to moderators. I strongly suggest getting rid of the most active member and groups on the main group page. I dont care for the spamming, but at the same time, Texasmermaid has a good point. There are a few people on this site that are not happy unless they are flapping their face pushing their agenda. Nick puts down spamming, but at the same time, he had spamming threads in his group recently. He didnt call it spamming, but IT WAS SPAMMING and the people who participated in it were notorious for it on this site. Many of the local groups, with an active mod, in my opinion, are the best on the site. They may not have the amount of postings that these big groups have but people are meeting each other and that is what Couples Dating is about, not exchanging hot air. Steve Yep, I won't deny that a few of the postings in The Likeminded Ones would resemble a "Spam" thread; however, if anyone really paid attention and read them completely they would see that they were a "Topical" posting and the postings within them were in fact complete sentences and on topic (the same done in many other groups). For instance, one posting recently in The Likeminded Ones went 11 pages that was titled "anything and everything about music.... MARCH PM!!!" PM was an abbreviation for Post Masters and was a challenge to the members (to produce activity of members and to what topics draw an interest) to bring up a Topic or game and see what member could produce the most responses to that Topic. The "Spam" postings that are being addressed of concerns by myself and other members are the ones that consist of broken sentences, use of one word with manipulating around the system with the font Tags, and have no topic to the posting other than "Spam" or "Spamming" our way to the top, etc... As I stated before "although this type of spam posting may be fun for some members it is and has become a competition that can, will and has caused group to group conflicts or member to member conflicts, also many members believe that this type of postings is devaluing the purpose of groups". In conclusion, I am not condoning any group or individuals that do "Spam" postings, I am merely suggesting a new mathematical system to be devised in order for other Groups and Members to being noticed and not overlooked (unselfish reasoning). Virtually every group has some sort of "Spamming" thread if you take in considerations that certain "Topics" (Discussions) draw many responses by the members when a member is posting in response to another member individually with quoting them. It is why I suggested the "Discussions" (Topic) postings to being used instead of the members total posting counts to determining the Active Groups listed or as "Most Active last 30 days, with photo members of Groups being displayed. Even my suggestion, there are flaws as SSL brought up.
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4/3/2006 12:10 pm |
I have a simple request. Can we make the View All page go back to the way that it was, so that when a new thread was submitted, it was at the top of the View All page, and everyone could know that there was something new, and it could deserve the attention that it deserved. As is now, the top item on the View All page is that which was the most recently updated. This is not fair to the new threads, which may not yet have received any postings, and, if there is enough activity in the other threads, that new thread could never be found. Thank you for listening. I can understand the reason why some people like the new style and I am sure as SpringsLuvr mentioned the old style is preferrable for the reasons she mentioned to others. I possible compormise could be to set the view all threads list in the same way as the view all members for the groups. USE SORTABLE CATEGORIES! If possible allow members to sort view all threads by clciking a link at the category head for "Date Created" OR "Date Last Updated" You could even add sortable categories for "Most Posts" (in a thread) or "Post Creator" IMHO As for members who spam in groups that allow spamming by moderator approval and under control by the moderator. Give it a break please. We did it as a fun way to compete for the top of the list for a while and now it has been discontinued (in Stripes and Dots). That's not to say that it won't be recontinued at another time. Just that as long as it's not being used to hijack threads or spam in groups where the moderator doesn't allow that sort of thing. Then it's up to the group and the mmoderator and I really don't see it as a vital concern of anyone else. As long as ToU is not being egggregiously violated, give it a break.
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simple solutions to the most active / spam problem could be {list more then just the top 15 groups....maybe list a few rows og group names....i like to think my group earned its free advertisement in the most active list....we never had a spam thread....but every group is different and thats why there unique....but also my group shouldnt be knocked off that list for a few thousand / two or three word post..... and as far as the h-t-t-p-: and u-r-l-'s i was speaking of in my earlier post : theres realy no use if we can use the outside of a post....example would be let us use them in our group desrictions....every group should be just as unique as the members in them.... i need not mention any sites name but im on one where i run a group and hearts fall from the top of the page....and its from using a marquee code and its got u-r-l and html tags.....every group on that site look so different.... i guess my groups real real question is , are these options going to ever be allowed on this site ??? just a simple " yes or no " is needed !!! the answer will determine if i continue to run OHIO'S most active group and if most of these members want to tolerate the blandness of the groups section....thank you again for your time !!! I believe Andrew did answered this about use of the traditional HTML and URL Linking as being of a tool that can be used in hacking in response to your first suggestions in another area of his Blog. This is very true Broc that linking to external sources can be of harm, not only to this site but to the members as well. Years ago the linking to other sites was used in the Lobby Chat Room (back then the chat rooms were not separated by geographical locations) and members were clicking on those links posted and being redirected to other sites (a hidden address) thinking they were going to view a member profile. Those links posted were not just redirecting members to pay per view porn sites, but also to sites designed by hackers that distributed viruses and worms to infect peoples computers and\or obtain personal information; some of those hackers were even able to intercept and edit a members posting for their own sick enjoyment in the chat rooms in order to cause disturbances between members that were having conversations. Within the OS of Windows 2000 and above there is a major flaw in its security environment of a certain port that cannot be shutdown while connected to the WWW; it is a reason why there are so many different types of Pop-Up blockers, Anti-Malware, Anti-Spyware, Anti-Virus, Firewalls, etc... of programs on the market today. Although it is not your intention or many other members that would use traditional html if permitted to cause any harm, but this site has millions of members on it and all it would take is just one that would cause harm. It is bad enough with the BOTS that roam the open Chat Rooms with advertisements, and who knows for sure what those site addresses they are posting (not linkable) would take a member to if they copied and pasted them in their browsers. So in essence it is logical of the denying of use of Traditional HTML; it is not just of benefit to the site, but to all members in my opinion (protecting of both parties). God only knows I am more comfortable with typing HTML Tag commands instead of the BBS Tag Commands to create tables and change my fonts, but hey, when it comes to my security of my personal information and my investment in my computer the extra effort is worth it and giving up a little for it. Nick
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Actually I kind of agree with Trillogy to a point and several others that suggest in scrapping the listings completely. Here is an idea: Instead of totally scrapping the Active Group Listings, how about if the listing of the top 100 active groups were to rotate each day or every few hours in a random order without the total number of postings being shown? That way no group would be in the same slot, and the same should apply to the Most Active Member of Groups with photo? That way no Group could be categorized as being the #1....#15 on front page of Groups and also the total posting numbers of a group is unknown; same should apply to the Most Active Member of Groups with photo. Reason for the total number of postings being unknown, it will eliminate the competition of being in "The Most Active Group" Listings that has developed in and between several Groups and for the Most Active Member of Groups with photo it will give the others in that listing of members recognition and to being noticed too. Maybe even consider having a separate random listing of the Top 100 "Topical Groups" and a random listing for the Top 100 "Local Groups"; in addition, a random listing for "Newly Created Groups" of the day. It is very difficult for newly formed groups to being noticed; consequently it is the reason there are so many "dead groups" and un-moderated groups. As Babel mentioned the Groups Home Page could be re-done and consolidated to create more space for listings of groups independently by category. Andrew, I know you most likely did not think this issue brought up would be a main focal point to several members, but I hope these discussions and opinions here that moderators and members of groups in concerns to the Active Group Listings and Member Listing are showing you why this has become an importance that some sort of resolve is needed to this concern. Promoting of Groups and Active Members is important, but rating them on a front page as being #1 etc... should not be used as you can most likely tell through these discussions. Nick
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I just thought I would let everyone know that if you are having an issue with cross posting, going in and updating your group activity stuff will update the html code for the page and thereby resolve the cross posting issue. Thanks!
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First time posting here. I firmly agree with those who believe that the photos in the "most active" should definitely be removed. They serve no purpose except to create more problems especially as stated in the spamming field. Trillogy is right, its like rewarding bad behavior. I have no clue why anyone thinks its some wonderful accomplishment to get there, but they apparently do. I fail to see what purpose it acutally serves in the first place to have them there, unless of course you just enjoy looking at yourself. If you look in the membership of the most active groups, you have the one group with over 7,000 members. Now lets be realistic, you can't honestly believe there are that many members there and that post often. If everyone of them posted the count would be WAY higher than it is. Consequently they really need to throw out the dead wood, and have an actual, factual, count. If the groups are going to be kept as most active, then it should be accurate. Taking that into account, when you have a group ANY group that runs spam threads, multiple spam threads at the same time, that escalate into the 1200 posts of one word per entry, page after page, guess what that does, it moves that group right up the line ahead of all the other groups, making it APPEAR that they are that active when they actually are NOT. I do not consider groups with 7 theads all spamming active. Consequently, as I said you have a false read on the MOST ACTIVE POSTS It is in my opinion a useless feature, and if eliminated, there would not be a REASON to run spam threads to get your group ahead of all the other groups who find it stupid and childish to do so, just to look like they are popular. Then if they want to run spam threads, that make no difference they are free to do so until their hearts content in their own group and it won't AFFECT anyone ELSE. I thank Nick, and you Mr. CEO, for the interest and the changes you are implementing. I find many of them quite useful and helpful as well. Lady
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4/3/2006 7:15 pm |
well NICK the point is im taking me and im very sure the majority of my members are leaving this site.....plain and simple this Couples Dating site cant keep up with a free site....and thats a big WoW to most people of my group....i have everyones e-mails and most have started a myspace account already...im not a skerd punk azz and will admit to my agenda around here....this site needs to quit play'n the b-s pretty game and open this site up or atleast a few hundred are leaving !!! now spam that a few hundred times and let the C.E.O answer my questions and not your NO POWER HAVING AZZ !!! if i asked you a question it would say your f..ck'n name.....
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4/3/2006 11:32 pm |
thank you so very much 
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4/4/2006 6:13 am |
Or if they got rid of the most active group or posters part then maybe they could replace it with a section called 'recommended groups' where it will list recommended groups based on the groups that you are a part of already, by topic or location etc. and a new groups section would be nice too, to show which groups have been recently created and it could get more exposure like fallmoon said.
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LMAO at Broc Well thank gawd someone else is sick of this bull s*&t Too heres a sugestion why dont all of you bitching and moaning about me and my 'spam' kiss my azzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz as broc would say.................LOL <<<<<------------- standing and waiting for kisses NOT Now excuse me while I go put my crown on and resume my postion as the Queen of what you call 'spam' (((kinda like taking my toys and leaving the sand box )))
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4/4/2006 12:31 pm |
well either way we all agree that changes are needed....and we seem to agree that speed of post and the banning of members is the key to the survival of these groups....disruptive people should be banned and stay banned....and its hard to corrospond with people here when post take hours to show up....everything else seems to just be a wish list for us !!! lets all see what happens !!! who knows maybe this site will become the great place to meet people like it should be....not the bottled up tention hole that it has been for 6 months now....
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4/5/2006 12:49 am |
I maybe wrong but i do believe this whole thing is a bag of hot air. there already is a feature to prevent everything everyone is whining about here. It's called a delete button. also in the group settings mods can put restrictions to block undesirables. And although it's a crappy easily side stepped feature we have the ban button. Oh yeah there's also an iggy button as well. So since all this isn't enough for some maybe Mr. andy will come to our groups and personally hold our hands for us as well. Mr. andy has provided ample tools to mod these groups I'ts nobodies fault but your own if you don't know how to use them properly and more tools aren't going to help. This site is already overloaded with stuff that don't work. Hey here's a fresh idea fix what's broke first then worry about new toys. At other sites I'm at I write my post click the post button and 30 seconds later round about the post shows up, here it has taken as much as 3 days for them to show if at all. and why in the world are photo restrictions so tight here at my other sites I visit your allowed to post any photo you like with in the law of the U.S. . I personally feel the two main problems with this site are 1. crappy technical support. and 2. to many roosters and not enough hens, by this I mean too many people want to have control over things here and not enough want to simply kick back and enjoy or let others enjoy themselves here. so tell me this was this below statement just a lie or what? The Couples Dating Story Couples Dating.com grew organically out of our FriendFinder dating site, back in 1996, when we noticed that some members wanted a more expressive forum for their sexuality. Recognizing that sexual needs and desires are natural human impulses, we avoided the shifty, back alley approach of many early adult sites. Instead, we modeled Couples Dating on the idea of a "clean, well- lighted place" where men, women, couples, gays, lesbians, TGs, can openly explore and safely expand their sexuality. At Couples Dating.com men speak freely, women let you know what they want, couples get right to business with swinging partners, and everyone's free to be naughty, brazen, forward, frank, fresh, sexy, in short, more fully themselves.
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Wow! Thanks for all the feedback. I will have one of our top project managers go through these and come up with some action plans.
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4/5/2006 2:09 pm |
The preview thing in the groups post was a great addition too, thanks, but is it possible to preview it with a gray background, that way you can see what it looks like on the gray background like the thread posts are in? either that or have the choice to preview with white or gray...?
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Wow! Thanks for all the feedback. I will have one of our top project managers go through these and come up with some action plans. Thank you very much for listening to all of us in concerns to the activity of Groups. Nick
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